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This special edition of The Glazov Gang was joined by Saba Ahmed, an Islamic Lobbyist with the Republican Muslim Coalition, and Nonie Darwish, an ex-Muslim who is the author of The Devil We Don’t Know.
The two guests went toe-to-toe about Taqiyya, if Muslims can take kafirs as friends, if Islamic verses inspire and sanction Islamic terror, and much more.
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And make sure to watch the special Glazov Gang that was joined by Anjem Choudary, a London Imam, Robert Spencer, the Director of JihadWatch.org, and Dr. Zuhdi Jasser, the Founder and President of the American Islamic Forum for Democracy.
The three guests came on the show to discuss “Jihad in Chattanooga.”
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15 thoughts on “Islamic Lobbyist Saba Ahmed vs. Ex-Muslim Nonie Darwish on “Taqiyya” — on The Glazov Gang”
Wow, this was great! Should have been titled Nonie and Jamie expose muslim woman using taqiyya! I know muslims are taught to lie to kafir, but does saba have to do it so awfully and obviously? Her eyes are down, rolling up or to the side, and Nonie catches it too as she imitates her. Thanks gang, for exposing the truth, and my sympathies for the pathetic saba who apparently cannot deal with honesty even when overwhelmed with facts.
Nonie summed things up in her last statement, it is a pity that Saba was not asked to explain why the ‘good’ Muslims who only want to practise their faith are virtually silent about all the atrocities being done world wide by Islam. I have no doubt her answe rwould be it is nothing to do with the good Mulsims
She is either in denial or a part of the problem. Seems to me that it says be honest EXCEPT …… As long as there is an “except” then what she claims is wrong.
also just came across this quote from brave Geert Wilders who sums up rather well the contradictions of islam:
” If it is good for Islam, it is good. If it is bad for Islam, it is bad.”
Regarding TAQIYYA and SHARIAH , many Americans have no interest in Islamic Laws. Their heads are in the sand. They foolishly think that Islamic laws need not concern infidels. Wise up! Islamic laws bluntly state, in detail, what they intend to do to infidels. After 9/11, Fort Hood and San Bernardino, how much more detail do you need? Read and be informed. Be vocal! Send letters and e-mails to everyone reminding them that Knowledge is Power.
Carolyn: Yoy are so correct So many do not that they are trying to usher in the 12th Eman, signaling the end of the world. That is why Jihad, or their so called “holy war” will never end. Beyond this I have been trying to do posting about what Sharia Law is. Americans really need to know that this entails beheading stoning to death, hand and feet chopping, to name but a few. And now to find out that Obama had a muslim prayer room with many pray rugs in the Whitehouse. Dan
It’s just ALL Taqiyya… it’s all taqiyya! Every single bit from Saba.
While you may be right, I do not think Saba is engaging in taqiyya. I think she is trying to be honest. I also think it takes a great deal of independence of mind and spirit to break away from something you have been taught all your life (I presume that is Saba’s situation). There are, unfortunately, relative few people like the producer of the Glazov Gang, Anni Cyrus, who simply never embraced the twaddle that was spoon fed to her from the time she was knee high. Anni has paid grievously for that independent mind and spirit.
Moreover, I think those of us in the anti-jihad movement (is there a better term?) do an injustice to our cause by making statements such as you just made. Sure, there is plenty of taqiyya, and various other forms of deception, that flow from the Moslem world. But that does not mean that all nonsense that comes from Moslems is, in fact, intended to deceive. Often, if you will, they deceive the worst person- themselves. But given your out-of-hand dismissal of Saba’s comments as taqiyya, you are ill-prepared to help lead sincere, but deluded, people away from their delusion.
I think in many cases it is in fact taqiyya that is being used knowinly and willingly by muslims, however, seeing as how all falsehoods are spread through the ideological subversion of a person or groups of people and not just those with islamic beliefs, but those of all false religious and non religious beliefs as well, I think there is also a lot of naivety on the part of those who have allowed themselves to have been decieved by whatever it is that they adhere to, so you will always have those people, such as Saba, who and I think in her case, out of sheer ignorance will defend their falsehoods as the truth, regardless of how contradictory, deceptive, harmful or absurd they are. The world is growing colder and those who live in darkness are being used by satan, we need to pray for them so that they may see the light and come to know the truth of our Lord Jesus Christ, as He is the truth, the way and the life.
One shot that should have been in Nonie’s locker would have been to ask Saba to look at the World Index of Corruption. Not to say that non Muslim countries are perfect but the lower part of the list features Muslim nations heavily. If Muslims are supposed to be so truthful and honest as she claims how does she explain that? Surely if Muslims are so perfect following the noble example of their ‘prophet’ they should all be near the top of the list.
You will never get a serious discussion with someone like Saba Ahmed because there is no truth in Islam in the way we are used to in the West. It is fundamental to our concept of truth the law of non-contradiction – a term of logic but one you’ll all understand, that you can’t hold beliefs which are inconsistent with each other – you can’t believe that apple pie is good, and that apple pie is bad, at the same time. BUT in Islam, the Koran is littered with later verses which conflict with the earlier verses, and the doctrine of abrogation does not mean that there must be a choice between inconsistent verses, but that the later is ‘stronger’ – the earlier ones are not abandoned, but are just ‘weaker’. So the whole structure of Islamic thinking is based upon tolerance of inconsistency. And as any student of logic will tell you, from a set of inconsistent premises, you can prove anything – you can derive any garbled nonsense from it. We advance arguments by pointing out inconsistencies, and then deciding which beliefs to reject to make our beliefs as a whole consistent. This basic element of reason is negated by the inconsistent garbled mess Mohammed wrote down, to suit his own variable purposes, claiming it to be the eternal word of Allah.
Funny that the very verse Saba is quoting from (Qu’ran 3:7) actually proofs her wrong. She claims the Qu’ran is not contradicting itself, but this verse clearly says that “in it are verses that are precise and others unspecific. ” It goes further explaining that people who are truthful use the specific verses and the ones who’s hearts are deviated will use the unspecific verses. And than it says only Allah know the difference.
But the Qu’ran also claims that it is a light and clear book (Qu’ran 5:15) and (Qu’ran 16:89) says it is explaining everything. The abrogation is also in the Qu’ran itself, when Allah knows that verses have been forgotten or when he has a better verse. Funny, because I still wonder how that goes for the everlasting and unchangeable version of the Qu’ran that is in Jinnah with allah. But it certainly does contradict itself all the time, it is not clear and very complicating for Muslims. That’s why Saba is struggeling so much.
I would like to thank you for your willingness to engage with Nonie and Jamie on behalf of the ideology that I presume you were raised in, or, at very least, embraced at a young age. Unlike some people here, I do not question your motives or sincerity. However, I think you are immensely wrong in your pronouncements. I will simply examine one of your statements.
“Islam strongly commands truthfulness in all our endeavors … and strongly condemns lying of all forms. Being truthful and honest is the essence of Islam.”
More false words have never been spoken. How you could be so colossally wrong about your own ideology is indeed a puzzle to me. Permit me to cite merely a few canonical Islamic texts to disabuse you of the notion you seem to have have uncritically accept about Islam.
You might- but please do not end- with Sura 16:106-
“Any one who, after accepting faith in Allah, utters Unbelief,- except under compulsion, his heart remaining firm in Faith – but such as open their breast to Unbelief, on them is Wrath from Allah, and theirs will be a dreadful Penalty.”
Now note the explicit element of fear and coercion, that anyone who renounces his belief in Islam, will receive a “dreadful Penalty”. Moslems have, for over 1000 years, murdered apostates. But admittedly, this murderous intent falls outside the scope of lying. However, the verse makes it quite clear that lying about one’s beliefs is explicitly endorsed by the Koran. Now many of us would do likewise- if you hold a gun to my head, I will strongly endorse the idea that the moon is made of green cheese. My point, for now, is that the Koran does endorse deception on occasion, your statement that Islam strongly condemns lying in all forms. Again, I will not assume that you intending to deceive: you may merely have been speaking carelessly, or you may simply be ignorant of what the Koran says. If the latter, I encourage you read some books that critically examine that bloody book, and Jamie and Nonie could certainly guide you in that direction.
Now as far as I know, it may well be that Islam prohibits lying between Moslems (except, Sura 2:225, which applies within the context of marriage, has long been interpreted as giving men the right to lie to their wives if it is for a “good cause”- but once again, there are circumstances in which Islam endorses dishonesty). Even between Moslems, though, I believe there is room for, “creative imagination” (learn about tawriya to become educated).
However, between Moslems and infidels, it is quite another matter. Muhammad himself proclaimed, “War is deceit”. Moreover, when Mohammad wanted to see the poet Ka’b ibn Ashraf murdered (the unfortunate Ashraf having “insulted” the pedophile prophet), one Muhammad ibn Maslama volunteered on the condition that in order to gain access to the poet, he be permitted to lie. The “prophet” Mohammad agreed.
What, may I ask, is your opinion of a “religion” that condones murder in response to an insult? I know you haven’t asked, but I’ll give you my opinion: it’s not a religion, it is a steaming pile of you-know-what of an ideology.
Departing from the Koran, let me turn to a reliable hadith- Bukhari is the gold standard of reliable hadiths, is he not? Well Sahih al-Bukhari, Vol. 9 89:260 states, quoting the (so-called) prophet Muhammad (what exactly did he prophesize??) notes the malleable nature of oaths among Moslems:
“If you ever take an oath to do something and later on you find that something else is better, then you should expiate your oath and do what is better.”
That seems to leave a lot of room for not fulfilling one’s promises. You might argue that not fulfilling an oath under circumstances where “something else is better” is the proper thing to (I might argue that’s a good reason not to make oaths). What you cannot (honestly) argue is that a Moslem’s word is inviolate. Islam quite explicitly is quite flexible in its dedication to honesty. Moreover, I would even go so far as to say that in the Moslem-Arab world, lying in a wide variety of circumstances is expected, but that is a topic for a different day.
I could go on, but time is a finite resource. I think I have done enough to expose the falsity of your declaration quoted early in the comment. And that is only one of a number of very suspect comments that you made. Please note, I have not questioned your integrity. I suspect you have simply accepted uncritically what you have been told all your life. But you are an adult now, and it behooves you to question and think critically about all you have been taught. Nonie and Jamie could greatly assist you in that regard, and I believe they would if you entered into that process with an open heart and a willing mind.
Thank you for listening to me. Should you have an interest in further dialog with me, I think we could prevail on Jamie to give you my contact information. I believe, if we were to do so, we would both learn something of value.
It is unlikely that you would consider anything I suggest, but on the off chance that you have even a small degree of a willingness to examine your cherished beliefs, I commend this video to your attention. It is by an ex-Moslem (you know, the people your “religion”, per the words of your “prophet”, should be killed) who left the ideology because the level of violence in the Koran (such violence being sanction by Mo and his “god”):
For a rather more considered examination, I urge you to read Ibn Warraq’s, “Why I am not a Muslim”. Ibn too is under the threat of death accorded all people who renounce the “Religion of Peace”. Ironic, no?
Again, I would be pleased to converse with you, and believe that Dr. Glazov would be willing to give you my contact information.
Great talk and lesson about how muslims decieve with the blessing of their religion.
Here’s a scholar telling a story about how it’s good to lie to people in the hopes they convert.