On Saturday evenings, the Counter Jihad Coalition (CJC) comes to 3rd St. Promenade in Santa Monica to spread the truth about Islam.
Below are some pictures of Jamie Glazov handing out educational pamphlets about Islam and also debating the issues.
Below the pictures is a video of Jamie’s activism on 3rd St. and then a Glazov Gang episode with Steve Amundson, president of the CJC, about his group’s efforts.
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Jamie tries to give a pamphlet about Islamic Jihad to a Muslim woman: Jamie hands a pamphlet about the “Oppression of Woman Under Islam” to a Muslim woman in Niqab:
Jamie discusses the Islamic theological foundations of Islamic gender apartheid:
Jamie unveils the ingredients of Mohammed’s life to a hostile audience:
Don’t miss the short video of Jamie’s and the Counter Jihad Coalition‘s battle on 3rd St. Promenade:
And here is a Glazov Gang episode with Steve Amundson, the president of the CJC, who talks about his group’s activities. Don’t miss it!
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46 thoughts on “Jamie Glazov’s Fight for the Truth About Islam on 3rd St. Promenade”
It strikes me how brave some are in the face of deception and evil. Steve and Jamie are heroic in speaking out simple truths.
Thank you Jae!
Jamie like his parents is a dissident of sorts who strives for democracy by taking a personal and courageous stand for his beliefs. Courage is required to maintain democracy.
I for one am proud of his efforts to exercise his democratic right of free speech.
Thank you cr!
Yes for sure, a chip (and a big one) off the old block. Dad was brave beyond imagine.
That part of town is loaded with jihadist ignoramuses. Jamie was taking his life in his hands to spread the truth! Thank you, brave patriot.
These antics would be laughable if they weren’t also so frightening. Glazov’s beliefs and tactics have clear parallels to the Klan members who would stand on street corners distributing “info” comparing blacks to animals, or the antisemites in the 1930s handing out pamphlets about greedy Jewish financiers. This offends the sensibilities of any one decent-a bigot who knows nothing about Islam confronting peaceful citizens minding their own business and telling them that their faith is evil.
You’re on the wrong side of history Glazov. Eventually you will go the way of all the Neo-Nazis who came before you.
While Glazov educates people about Islam from Islam’s own sources of doctrine, you smear him. It is interesting that you mention Nazis with disapproval considering that Hitler was aligned with Islam.
This is unbelievable. I sometimes wonder if folks like you actually read books or just take your cues from Sean Hannity.
First, as an atheist I have read the religious texts, though for academic, not religious, reasons. The holy books are complex, contradictory documents which are full of inspiration as well as hideous violence. The New Testament preaches resistance as non-violence as well as violence at times. The Old Testament contains the doctrine of Perpetual Servitude and even sanctions genocide. The Quar’an contains passages of grisly violence but also puts forward the quite revolutionary (for its time ) statement that “There is no compulsion in religion,” and that innocents should not be killed.
On the issue of Nazism, the statement above by R. Muhammad (self-loath much?) is jarring in its ignorance. To begin with, most scholars agree that the Nazi holocaust can only be understood in the context of the centuries long tradition of Christian anti-Semitism. Hitler, a Catholic, gave speeches in which he invoked the Lord. I’m not saying this to demonize any one religion, but only to point out that the claim above is baseless. In Mein Kampf Hitler made it clear that his inspiration for many of his racial policies was the US government’s treatment of American Indians. On the point that Hitler was “aligned with Islam,” it is unclear what that even means. If it means that he was aligned with certain Muslim leaders, then that has nothing to do with Islam. For example, The Grand Mufti did collaborate with the Nazis, but the Muslim King of Morocco, King Mohammed V, refused to hand over Moroccan Jews to the Vichy regime for extermination.
At one point the Klan was a mass organization made up of millions of members (many poor whites) and also claimed to draw their inspiration for religion. They were discredited because of a courageous civil rights movements and decades of struggle, not because “silly rituals” were exposed, whatever that means.
Finally, I’ll take Glazov’s arguments seriously when he starts to rely on accomplished religious scholars, not frauds like Spencer and Geller who have links to neo-Nazi style organizations and lack any scholarly credentials. In fact, I have a challenge for you all: provide me a citation to just one peer-reviewed article or book published by an academic press written by either of those two clowns, or any of the hacks who Glazov relies on for his conclusions, and I’ll repudiate everything I wrote here and apologize.
Unbelievable indeed – your level of ignorance, that is. I wonder if you actually read books or just take your cues from anti-Christian bigots. Apparently, it is the latter.
First, as an Atheist, you should be facing the fact that Atheist ideologies like Communism murdered 160 million people just in the last Century, and that Atheist / Communist / Marist governments continue to persecute Christians and others.
Second, history books contain violence too. So according to you, they are “just as bad” as the Qur’an. Atheists like to use the “Bible is just as bad as Qur’an” fallacy, so then if you are consistent (which is something Leftists know nothing about) you will equally say “all history books with violent teachings are just as bad as the Qur’an because violence is violence”.
Based on your “violence is violence” argument, you have to condemn rape victims for being “just as bad” as rapists because rapists use ‘violence” to attack victims and victims use “violence” to fight them off.
Also, based on this “violence is violence” Leftist rhetoric, you are saying that the Allied Forces attacking Nazis were “just as bad” as the Nazis because “they both killed people”. Furthermore, you must say, if you are consistent, that “America engaged in genocide against Nazi Germans” if you call the Bible teaching elimination of murderous people as “genocide”. But again, telling a Leftist to be consistent is like telling the sun to give off cool air.
For you to say that you “read the religious texts” and yet your refer to the Qur’an as holy shows that you have no idea what you are talking about. Furthermore, your incorrect comments about the Holy Bible and the un-holy Qur’an also show you have no idea what you are talking about. The Bible condemns slavery, but your anti-Bible bigotry prevents you from seeing that. Are not those in prison for life in a position of perpetual servitude? Of course they are, and that is the same situation of perpetual servitude in the Bible.
Here are just some of the Bible verses condemning actual slavery:
Genesis 1:27 – we all come from Adam and Eve, equally in the image of God
Leviticus 19:34 – treat stranger like yourself
Deuteronomy 24:14 – don’t oppress
Deuteronomy 10:17-19 – justice and love for stranger
Exodus 21:16 – put kidnappers to death
cr. 1 Timothy 1:8-10 (kidnappers / men stealers)
Deuteronomy 23:15-16 – leave runaway slaves to be free and don’t oppress him
Job 31:13-35 – don’t abuse another in service to you because they are created like you and you have to answer to God
Matthew 7:12 – the Golden Rule
You saying the Qur’an “puts forward the quite revolutionary (for its time ) statement that “There is no compulsion in religion,” and that innocents should not be killed.” shows your absolute ignorance. Biblical teaching, such as those I cited above, came BEFORE the Qur’an. The Bible is the Holy Book which actually teaches no compulsion in religion and innocents should not be killed. But your blatant anti-Bible bigotry prevents you from seeing that and causes you to instead attack people like Glazov who are exposing Islam for what it really teaches.
If you actually read the Qur’an like you claim, you will see that what it means by “no compulsion in religion” is that no one can prevent someone from Islam. This can be seen earlier in that same chapter in Sura 2:191-193, as Muhammad taught that it is better to kill people than people not wanting Islam. Furthermore, the very next chapter in Sura 3:85 teaches that what the Qur’an means by “religion” is ISLAM ALONE. When Muslims say they believe in “religious freedom”, they mean the freedom for Muslims to practice Islam and NOT freedom for other religions. This can clearly be seen in the final teachings of the Qur’an like Sura 9:29:
“Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture – [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while feeling themselves subdued.”
But to willfully ignorant people like you, this final teaching to Muslims on how to treat non-Muslims (Jews and Christians) means “no compulsion in religion”!!
And to you this final teaching to Muslims in Qur’an 9:5 on how to deal with other non-Muslims means “innocents should not be killed!!
“And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.”
At this point, your ignorant self is thinking “Aha! I got Ryan. The Qur’an contains 114 chapters, so Ryan calling Sura 9 the final teaching to Muslims shows Ryan does not understand chronology.” The sad reality is that you would be the ignorant one not understanding chronology, and that is because the Qur’an is NOT ARRANGED CHRONOLOGICALLY!
Furthermore, you said you read “the religious texts”. That means you’ve read the Sihah Sitta, the Sira, Tarikh such as Al Tabari, Tafsir like Ibn Kathir, al-Jalalayn, Qurtubi and Ibn Abbas, right? Of course not! THAT is how the Imams study Islam, and THAT is how Glazov studies Islam, and THAT is how I study Islam, but not you. You pick out “no compulsion in religion” from the Qur’an and don’t even understand the larger context of what “religion” means in Islam. You get “innocents should not be killed” from reading the Qur’an, yet you ignore how the Qur’an defines the word “innocent”. So let me educate you:
“Those who dispute concerning the signs of Allah without an authority having come to them – great is hatred [of them] in the sight of Allah and in the sight of those who have believed.” Sura 40:35
You state that you are an Atheist, which means you don’t believe in the Muslim god sending signs, which means you dispute concerning the signs of Allah, which means you are worthy of the Muslim god and Muslims HATING YOU. In other words, Muslims can kill you and it would not violate the Islamic teaching forbidding the killing of innocents. That is why, out of the 13 countries around the world in which people who openly espouse Atheism face execution under the law, 13 of 13 of them are MUSLIM COUNTRIES!!
Afghanistan, Iran, Malaysia, Maldives, Mauritania, Nigeria, Pakistan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, United Arab Emirates and Yemen.
Thankfully, there are Atheists who understand their survival is as much at stake as the survival of Christians when it comes to Islam, and so they unite with Christians and Hindus and others to expose Islam. Bill Maher is one. Pat Condell is another. But morons like you instead attack people like me and Glazov and even Maher who speak out against Islam! While the Atheist blogger Raif Badawi faces 1,000 lashes for “insulting Islam”, you attack people like Glazov who speak out against this!! Of course, to you, Badawi facing 1,000 lashes and almost dying after the first 50 with 950 remaining doesn’t violate the Qur’an teaching “innocents should not be killed.” In other words, you are a Muslim.
Now to expose your ignorance position on Nazism. Because academia is virulently anti-Christian, it is of no surprise “most scholars agree that the Nazi holocaust can only be understood in the context of the centuries long tradition of Christian anti-Semitism.” Ask any of these so-called “scholars” about the connection between Nazism and Islam and their heads will tilt side to side like when a dog hears a strange sound with its ears up.
So let me give you a crash course in anti-Christianity / pro-Islam Hitler.
All Hitler did was pretend to be Christian (Catholic) in order to gain favor with the Church, but as he began revealing what he was really about, Christians started speaking out against him. The book “The White Rose” discusses how Christians plotted to kill Hitler. Hitler’s hatred of the Church was blatant. Hitler plotted to kidnap the Pope in “Operation Rabat”. Even Democrat President Carter attested to Hitler’s persecution of Christians. In Jimmy Carter’s 1997 book “Sources of Strength”, he spoke of Christian persecution by the Nazis. Carter highlighted one Christian minister in particular named Dietrich Bonhoeffer, who went to Germany to be with the persecuted Christians. There, he spoke publically against Nazism, racism, and anti-Semitism. Bonhoeffer was arrested and imprisoned and executed on orders of Heinrich Himmler.
So Hitler was not aligned with the Church, rather Hitler was aligned with another religious ideology which resonated with Hitler’s hatred of Jews and Christians. And what was that ideology? It is the same ideology which made up Waffen SS 13 and bombed Churches and Synagogues and committed some of the worst atrocities. Who made up Waffen SS 13 and SS 21? MUSLIMS! Hitler was aligned with the Muslim world, and much of what the Nazis implemented was learned from Muslims.
The distinctive clothing Jews had to wear? Hitler got that from 9th Century Muslims. Read the Pact of Umar and you will see. The train rides to death? Hitler got that from Turkish Muslims, as the Turkish Caliphate committed the first genocide of the 20th century against Armenian Christians and Greeks, murdering around 3 million. In fact, Hitler’s original Final Solution was to send Jews to Israel, but the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem (Haj Amin Al Husseini) said he didn’t want them and to kill the Jews. Yet people spread the lie that Islamic Jew hatred is a “reaction to Jews taking their land in 1948”. Read Hamas Charter Article 7 and see that genocidal Islamic Jew hatred comes directly from Muhammad and his god Allah, and that was 13 centuries before the re-creation of Israel!
The one not to be taken seriously is you. All you have in your arsenal is denial and ad hominem attacks against people like Spencer and Geller smearing them in typical leftist fashion, calling them frauds and neo-Nazis when you are the real neo-Nazi. One of the most accomplished religious scholars is Spencer, who in a debate with an Imam caused the Imam to say ‘Spencer studies Islam so he knows this stuff’ because the Imam could not counter the facts Spencer was presenting.
You then continued to show ignorance with this statement:
“In fact, I have a challenge for you all: provide me a citation to just one peer-reviewed article or book published by an academic press written by either of those two clowns, or any of the hacks who Glazov relies on for his conclusions, and I’ll repudiate everything I wrote here and apologize.”
You are clearly a glutton for punishment (self-loath much?) because you continue to expose your ignorance. First of all, academia is too busy bashing the Bible and proselytizing for Islam to publish Spencer or Geller. Academia would have to admit the false narrative it peddles is wrong, and they would much rather people be raped and murdered than to ever admit being wrong.
Secondly, the Islamic world does not operate in the traditional academic sense of peer-reviewed journals. Those who cite Islamic doctrine accurately are scholarly.
Such an individual is Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi. MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS of Muslims follow him. He is spiritual advisor to the largest Muslim terrorist organizations, which is the Muslim Brotherhood, but he is even bigger than that because he does not limit himself to being their advisor. Qaradawi is in the top 01.% of Muslim scholars in the world. Expert enough for you?
This is the SAME Qaradawi banned from the US for virulent anti-Jew hatred! I study Qaradawi, and ALL of his anti-Jew hatred comes DIRECTLY FROM ISLAMIC DOCTRINE, THE SAME DOCTRINE SPENCER, GELLER, GLAZOV AND I CITE TO SHOW ISLAMIC JEW-HATRED!!!
The ONLY reason you attack people like Spencer, etc. is so you don’t have to face the reality and facts they present. Most of what is on their websites is news the media refuses to report on because the media wants to stick to covering for Islam and therefore bashing those who expose the politically incorrect reality of the destruction and death Islam has caused for 1400 years and continues to cause through today. By you attacking those who expose this information, you enable Islamic oppression, persecuting, pedophilia, sexual slavery, torture, terrorism and murder. You are no different than the brown shirts and jack boots who smeared those exposing Nazism, the sister racist, supremacist, totalitarian death cult of Islam!
Brilliant. First, the Old Testament contains open ended, prescriptive violence against heathens even outside of the seven nations, as any reading of Deutoronomy and the Book of Psalms makes clear, although Spencer consciously elides this point. Thus, your analogy to rape victims and history books is asinine. In other words, the violence in the bible is not merely “descriptive,” (or conducted against the equivalent of modern day prisoners, whatever that means) despite the claims of you Islamaphobes. Your conclusion could only be reached if one has already decided, a priori, that biblical violence is inherently just-the hallmark of a religious fanatic.
On atheism, I can assure you that I am firm in my (non) beliefs. I think the Saudi regime is vile and despicable, and that the US should drop them as a client state. I feel the same way about the outlaw state of Israel. I have no desire to justify any religion, nor do feel inclined to demonize and single any one of them out either.
On Nazism, you are chock-full of contradictions. Because certain killing units under the Reich were made up of Muslims, this lends credence to the ridiculous claim that Nazism derived from Islam? How many Catholics and Christians were part of the killing cog? Such arguments are ludicrous. And because Hitler persecuted and killed Christians, this shows that he was only pretending to be a Catholic? I don’t claim that he was a “true” believer, but many Muslim fanatics persecute and kill other Muslims, and so by your logic we could conclude that such fanatics are only pretending to be Muslim.
Finally, on academia, I’m not surprised you would take such a position. Many flat earth members and holocaust deniers no doubt also claim that there is a vast conspiracy keeping them out of the scholarly journals and presses. On bigots Spencer and Geller, I’ll by quoting a real scholar, Reza Aslan, on the dynamics of their relationship: “Spencer clearly wears the leash.”
That is the best “rant”/reply I have ever read on Islam. Thank you for the education. I know so much more now.
Ouch. My reply below was meant for you, Ryan!
Thanks, Elizabeth! Spread the truth and reality because Muslims and Leftists can handle it.
@ Elizabeth – I meant they CAN’T handle it, not they can handle it 🙂
Bravo!!! Well said Sir!!
Thanks Ryan. This took time to think out and write for this post. I’ve copied and saved this for future reference. You are absolutely correct, as are Jamie, Pamela and Robert.
Flawless Victory. Best reply ever.
That was the best, intelligent take-down ever! Love it!
Only someone who spouts off uninformed opinion’s would claim Klan membership in the millions. Maybe the total of the kuklos throughout it’s history in the USA might reach a few hundred thousand, maybe. And in your ignorance you claim Christianity for the klan when the Bible clearly states that to be a Christian you must follow in HIS footsteps ie ; nonviolence. For example, mohamad, Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot and barry O would not and could not be considered for membership in the Christian Brotherhood. Unless they repented. A moslem couldn’t do it. He or she would be executed.
Actually, Liam, the second KKK, founded in 1915, reached a membership of over four million men in the 1920s. You can read this in scholarly journals (Rory McVeigh, Social Forces) or, since you folks dislike actual scholarship, simply look at the wiki page:
Your assertion that the Klan was not practicing the “actual” teachings of Christianity makes my point. Simply because a vile group claims to represent a faith, and the Klan did, that doesn’t mean the faith itself is to blame. As I said earlier, the religious texts are contradictory and complex documents.
You sound like a fraud to me when you say, as do most Islamofascists, that Geller and Spencer are frauds. In psychology this is called Projection – you are projecting the fraud you know within yourself onto to some one else – the old, it takes one to think they know one.
Shaukat, Did you know that the Ku Kux Klan lost its power when spies risked their lives to infiltrate Klan meetings. They dug up all their silly rituals and secrets and exposed them to the world. Those secret rituals and signs of membership became common knowledge and the Klan became an object of scorn and ridicule. The Klan was racist. Islam is racist. Read the trilogy and educate yourself. Start with a koran.
CJC members and Louis Lionheart know Islam’s history and doctrine much better than the moslems who try to defend it. Islam is slavery.
You betcha, Jamie.
Muslims are making the history that Mr Glazov truthfully reports on…..
Jamie has a PhD in History, not limited to the United States. So you’re the funny one by telling him that he’s on the wrong side of history. He sees how Islam is continuing Hitlers Jew-hating — and that’s just one fault of Islam. The unfortunate children born to Islamic parents are horribly abused. Things are done to the girls so they believe they are owned and have no say about what happens to their bodies. The boys are taught cruelty early so they will have enough psychopathic characteristics that they can enjoy jihad and beheading for the thrill of terrorism. Jamie doesn’t need warnings from people like you.
Glazov’s Ph.D is in Canadian foreign policy during the Cold War. The man is not a scholar. He has never published in scholarly peer reviewed journals as far as I can tell, and certainly not on the subject of Islam. I doubt he has even read any serious books or articles on the topic. He specializes in finding other xenophobic fanatics with no scholarly credentials and publicizing their racism. He appoints them as “fellows” to sit on the foundations of his rag-tag Freedom Center or Frontpage and thinks that makes them “experts.”
Exactly when did Islam become a race?
I really the comment above was in the spirit of sarcasm. But if you’re genuinely interested in learning about Islam or any religion, then I would strongly urge you to not rely on these clowns, who cherry pick quotations, lack any scholarly credentials, and know nothing about religion or politics. A public library card and a basic jstor article search will yield much better info.
@ Elizabeth – If you’re genuinely interested in learning about Islam or any religion, then I would strongly urge you to not rely on clowns like Shaukat , who cherry pick quotations, lack any scholarly credentials, and know nothing about religion or politics. A visit to your local Islamic bookstore will yield much better info on Islam, such as the highly authoritative writings by Maududi, Imam Nawawi, and the number one book on Islamic Shari’a Law in the world called ‘Umdat al-Salik / Reliance of the Traveler. This book is certified by several mosques, by the number one school of Islamic jurisprudence in the world Al Azhar, and by a subsidiary of the OIC which is composed of ALL Muslim governments.
Here is one of the gems from Maududi on Qur’an 4:24:
And forbidden to you are wedded wives of other people except those who have fallen in your hands (as prisoners of war) . . . (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 319).
This is why groups like the Islamic State and Boko Haram are the ultimate examples of devout, pious Muslim practice, which is exactly why they are raping terrorists, which is exactly why Islam is pure filth and so are those who know this and yet try to defend Islam.
Here is a gem by Imam Nawawi, his commentary on Sahih Muslim # 525 (English version Book 003, Number 0684):
Our companions have said that if the penile head has penetrated A WOMAN’S ANUS, or A MAN’S ANUS, or AN ANIMAL’S VAGINA or ITS ANUS then it is necessary to wash whether the one being penetrated is alive OR DEAD, YOUNG OR OLD, whether it was done intentionally or absentmindedly, whether it was done willfully or forcefully. This also applies if the woman places the male member inside her while the man is asleep, whether the penis is erect or not, whether the penis is circumcised or uncircumcised. All these situations require that the person committing the act and the one the act is committed on must wash themselves, unless the person committing the act or the person the act is committed on is a young male or female. In that case it cannot be said that the person must wash, for they do not have the responsibility, rather it is said that this person is in a state of impurity. If that person can discern (the sexual act) then his guardian can command him to wash just as he commands him to perform the ablution washing for prayers. For if he prays without washing, his prayer has not been performed correctly; likewise if he doesn’t wash after he reaches puberty he must be forced to wash. If he washed as a youth and then reaches puberty, then he does not have to repeat the washing.
Our companions have said that intercourse occurs when a healthy male’s penile head completely penetrates (an orifice), as has been unanimously agreed. Thus, when the penile head has completely disappeared (inside the orifice), then all the regulations concerning washing apply. It is unanimously agreed that it is not necessary that the entire penile shaft penetrate to apply the regulations of washing. If part of the penile head penetrates, then the regulations of washing are not imposed as is agreed, except by an odd few of our companions who said that even in this case all the regulations of washing apply. However, this opinion is wrong, rejected and abandoned.
If the male member was severed and what remained was less than the length of the penile head, then none of the washing regulations apply. If the part remaining was equal in length to the penile head length then that part must completely penetrate for the regulation of washing to apply. If the part remaining was greater in length to the penile head length then there are two famous opinions for our companions. The most correct is that if the portion that penetrates is equal to the length of the penile head, then the regulations for washing apply. The other opinion is that none of the regulations for washing apply until the entire remaining length of the penile shaft completely penetrates and Allah knows best.
If a man wraps a sheath around his male member and then ejaculates inside a woman’s vagina, then there are three opinions from our companions. The most famous is that the man must wash. The second is that he does not have to wash because he ejaculated inside the sheath. The third is that if the sheath is thick and prevents climax and wetness (in the vagina) then washing is not necessary, otherwise it is necessary and Allah knows best.
If a woman inserts (in her vagina) AN ANIMAL’S PENIS she must wash, and if she inserts A DETACHED PENIS (thakaran maktu-an, lit. “a severed male member”; a marital aid perhaps!?) there are two opinions; the most correct is that she must wash.
Islam offers such “wisdom”, eh?
And here is a citation from the world’s number one book of Islamic Shari’a Law:
Book of Justice, Section o9.13 “When a child or a woman is taken captive, they become slaves by the fact of capture, and the woman’s previous marriage is immediately annulled”
Once again, the Islamic State proves itself to be a devout, pious group of Muslims as they take even married females as sex slaves, which is the same thing the Muslim scholar Maududi says.
I can go on and on, but I’ve made my case. Islam is filth, and so are people like Shaukat who know it is filth yet feebly try to defend it. The reason he calls the charlatan Reza Aslan a scholar is because Azlan peddles the same denial and lies that Shaukat is peddling here. I’ve given you names of extremely authoritative Muslim scholars and doctrine, and because they represent mainstream Islam (not the fabled “tiny minority of extremists”), the sources of Islamic doctrine I cited are available in Islamic bookstores throughout the world, including in America.
Still waiting on those scholarly journal and book citations Ryan. Until then you’re the equivalent of a flat earth member and holocaust denier. Quoting deranged fanatics to make your case and then calling them “scholars” is the equivalent of citing Klan members as authorities on Christianity.
You’re such a joke, but keep giving more evidence of that if you wish. Your “scholar” Azlan is a joke like you which is why the two of you are two peas in a pod.
Do me a favor. Go to a devout Muslim country like Pakistan or Yemen or North Sudan (where Obama’s brother works for the terrorist government) or Afghanistan and go into the mosques during juma prayers and hold up a sign which says “Imam Nawawi and Maududi are deranged fanatics and Islamic Shari’a Law is deranged and fanatical”. That will be the last anyone sees or hears of you – and take Aslan with you. I’d even pay for the one-way plane tickets! One-way, because you won’t be coming back alive.
The only joke in this thread is you, you are incapable of refuting anything Ryan presents, instead all you can do is go for the fallacy of appeal to authority in this case Reza Aslan as if his word is truth based on his credentials alone. You will find many known intellectuals who agree more with mr Ryan and Jamie out there than that fraud Reza but Im sure you will dismiss them with the same ease as you have apparently chosen the man who holds your “truths”.
Despite the fact that every word uttered by Jamie and Ryan can be found uttered by islamists and islamic scholars across the world including here in the west, you just dismiss it as it best fits how you want the world to be. But sadly for your leftist atheist kind the world has never been as you see it, nor will it ever be.
Yours sincerely a Rightist Atheist living in Europoa a continent slowly being destroyed by the influx og backwards religious morons from islamic countries.
First, understand that “Europoa” isn’t being destroyed by immigrants from Islamic countries. Rather, specific countries are suffering because of austerity, the policies of the EU, unsustainable debt burdens, misguided economic strategies, and the rise of right-wing racist and anti-Semitic parties and groups. Europeans such as yourself are quick to scapegoat and withdraw to the familiar comforts of fascism. In the 1930s you blamed the Jews for Europe’s problems, and now it’s the Muslims’ turn I suppose.
Secondly, if you read my responses above, I responded to all of Ryan’s claims. I didn’t respond to his selected quotes from the Bible, because I could just as easily compile a list of quotes from the Old and New Testaments which sanction violence and aggression. I wouldn’t though, because it’s a childish game.
Also, I only referred to Aslan after Ryan had repeatedly cited fanatics and bigots such as Spencer and Geller. However, if you really believe that more intellectuals agree with Glazov and Ryan than with Reza, I’ll issue the same challenge to you that I did to him: cite me an actual scholar, with valid credentials who has published in peer-reviewed journals or with university presses, who subscribes to the mindless trash espoused the likes of Glazov, Ryan and Spencer, and I’ll concede to your points.
Androkles, thanks for your comment. You clearly understand what is going on.
How does one “absentmindedly” perform any of these actions? Just asking.
here is a small list of reading material to increase your knowledge of Islam….. http://www.islam-watch.org/library.html
Jamie, I thank you for your dedication to confront people with the truth of Islam, but, call me old-fashioned, learning the truth does not come from debate. Judaism/Christianity (Messiah/Jesus Christ) is the way, the truth and the life. When you present the truth in this light, you soon learn who has an open mind to learn and receive, and who wants to silence or hate you for the sake of what you preach. This way, you save a lot of energy in fruitless debating and (what I like to call) “casting your pearls before swine.” Keep on growing in your dedication.
Steven is so courageous, and so are you! We need more people to step it up and speak out like the two of you do! God Bless you!
Thank you Victoria!
Wow, what a brave man to start this fight back on the LIE that is ISLAM! I will follow and donate. Also support Dr David Wood on ACTS17Apologetics; Dr. Bill Warner on http://www.politicalislam.com and Robert Spencer on JihadWatch.com, and Ayaan Hirsi Ali on her AHA FOUNDATION. Read the books – see a new bio of MUhamm the Psychopathic madman – by F.W. Burleigh, “It’s All About Muhammed; The World’s Most Notorius Prophet.” also on amazon for $6 for Kindle and $16 for the hardcopy – this is a great book – if you want to understand islam, understand the barbarity of Muhammed.